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Poster: angular Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: One more top 5 overrated

I always enjoy the top 5/10 lists that appear, but just to play devils' advocate:

What are your top 5 OVERRATED guitarists. Someone that maybe gets more play and credit than they should compared to the top rated list.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Steve Kimock ...WAY overrated!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

you know what - i hate to say it, but to my ears Kimock's playing has been slipping the past two or three years. i dont know what the deal is, but he sounds sloppier, less inspired, and less interesting. kinda like Jerry's last 4 or 5 years.

maybe he is just getting bored.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Steve Kimock

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 9, 2010 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

The Edge and Eddie Van Halen

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 9, 2010 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

I don't know if George Harrison was rated, but his playing wasn't exceptional.

I like SRV, but not the millions of wannabees he inspired.

The Edge - I'll leave it to Bill Bailey to explain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Go2DK9VtQ

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Jimmy Page
Robin Trower (I would rather watch paint dry)

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Sep 10, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

I'll agree w/ Robin Trower. I saw him when he was a Les PAUL guy playing in Procal Harum, there he's original and very fluent, when he went on his own and changed styles to defacto Hendrix it does not work. I will say Bridge of Sighs is one cool song

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Steve Kimock

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Keith Richards always makes those lists. He's good for what he does, but let's be honest here...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

this is exactly why I qualified my own list as "favorites" rather than "top" anything - Keith gets huge credit from me for being absolutely perfect at what he does, but you are dead on that he is no master, by any stretch of the imagination.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
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Steve Kimock

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
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Steve Kimock

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 9, 2010 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

I'm sure if you asked someone who dislikes the dead one of their picks would be Garcia. A lot of people in the bay area worship Greg Kihn, I think because he DJ's a classic rock radio station out in San Jose. It's probably the only station that plays his music, must be nice to play your own songs on your own show and help yourself collect royalties. Anyway, he's overrated and not just at guitar

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 9, 2010 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Is that the guy who sings "Our love's in Jeopardy, baby, oooooooohhhhhhhhh, oooooooooooohhhhhhh..."


TOOTMO

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 9, 2010 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

That's right TOOTMO, pretty f-n lame. I think Weird Al did a parody of that song as well. Spartan Stadium '79, San Jose, Greg Kihn opened for Grateful Dead, I believe one of Brent's first shows if not the first

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

yes, indeed, one of Weird Al's finer early efforts, especially if you're a die-hard Jeopardy! fan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JIg9NB47M

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

SRV
Pete Townsend
Keith Richards
Eddie Van Halen
Buckethead
Ingwe Malmstein (sp?)
Carlos Santana (formulaic with NO variation)

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

I know he isn't thought of as a guitarist only, but he played one. The most overrated human being on the planet in my opinion is Elvis.

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Poster: BobsShortShorts Date: Sep 9, 2010 10:04am
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Thank ya very much....

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:00pm
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No argument here wait a minute.... nope Elvis is more over rated than WT!

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Sep 10, 2010 1:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Bell bottomed jump suits, that's them in a pile.
But he don't need 'em now, 'cause he's makin' Jesus smile...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
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Steve Kimock

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:57am
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I was just gonna ask this very question myself,but you beat me to it! There are 2 guitarists that quickly come to mind and those would be Trey Anastascio (sp?) and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Both of these guys have not bit of originality in them.....they are rip offs and frauds......

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

glad to see that I am not the only one who feels that way about SRV. just had a quick talk about him last night with my wife (who loves him.) I just never quite "got it" with Vaughan. Yeah, he is a technically proficient player, but I just dont get the real blues "soul" in his playing. a bit formulaic imho. i understand "blues" is by definition a bit formulaic - but I just dont hear any real "emotion" from his playing.

just my ears saying this - not raggin on him

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

I have the same opinion of Derek Trucks vs. Dickie Betts...Betts plays from the heart and Trucks just copies it.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

I certainly understand why you might say that Rich. Derek is quite stoic on stage, and shows almost no emotion while performing. But I do find his playing to be pretty emotive...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuadh1o0yC8

I guess you didnt enjoy those DT shows I sent you ;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 9, 2010 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Anyone who saw him with EC and Doyle Bramhall couldn't really think he has no heart or soul in his playing. The Derek & Dominoes' stuff was incredibly soulful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxWOfJpPQuU

This is the show I caught; Derek's last of the tour. Too bad this clip doesn't have better audio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPzZVLJGCLo

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 9, 2010 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

Derek is very passionate about fishing...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 9, 2010 3:40pm
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I recall that pic - keep all sharp objects away from his fingers!

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Poster: utopian Date: Sep 9, 2010 10:33pm
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Striped bass?

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Poster: utopian Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One more top 5 overrated

WOW!
I would politely disagree that srv and Trey are unoriginal. As they are immediately identifiable when they play.

I would ask you to check out the El
Mocambo live 83 SRV clips on youtube;
voodoo chile or Texas flood, in particular if you want to hear some vintage playing.
.........//...
My overrated list;
Jeff beck
Pete Townsend
Hendrix, while he was an innovator there are people that took it further, but he was so cutting edge at the time.



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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 1:54pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fuMF3Bjr84&;feature=youtube_gdata_player wow back at you about Jeff Beck!

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 9, 2010 10:22am
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Eddie Van Halen.....blech!
SRV.....he's good, but sounds too robotic to me

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 9, 2010 10:26am
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I'm with you man... nothing there.

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Poster: hambam Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:23am
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Jimmy Page

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Sep 10, 2010 8:17am
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I'd have to agree hole heartedly about Jimmy Page, his style is very erratic to hurky-jerky not fluent like Jeff Beck or even Dave Mason

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:05pm
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Steve Kimock

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Poster: angular Date: Sep 10, 2010 3:50am
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Not to start an arguement, for me it's Clapton. I was never impressed with the guy.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Sep 10, 2010 8:37am
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About time too! He's been so bloody mediocre for over 30 years. An average guitarist playing average gigs averagely - but some kind of god to 50+ white boys. He tried to play with some of the big boys at the North Sea Jazz Festival in the early 90s. Same tired blues licks - embarrassing. I buggered off after 10 minutes.
Jeff Beck has changed his style regularly; his guitar playing that is, not his hair.
Despite limiting his styles, one who more than held his own at the NSJF was Carlos Santana, playing with Wayne Shorter in 1988. Perhaps it's all about emotion. Don't feel any in Clapton's playing.

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Poster: utopian Date: Sep 10, 2010 10:35am
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Check out Clapton and winslow doing a modern can't find my way home on YouTube.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 10, 2010 6:40am
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I've always thought that...I will say that my obsession with CREAM has caused me to rethink it, BUT I still maintain that JB and GB are the driving forces of CREAM. In a narrow, blues meets high energy rock, EC was the best, but it is a narrow domain. Think of what I like about JG--you know by know that I pick the OOne of 12-29-68 with high energy, speed and note production. Jerry keeps it up for six min...then does other Jerry leads that we like too. EC could do this forever with CREAM, and the subtlety of where he goes with it at high speed and high energy really grows on ya. But you have to spend a long time with them to appreciate it. I loved CREAM for yrs but until I really listened day after day for the last few months, I didn't respect him nearly as I do now.

But, I still don't rank him all that highly; and defn not for latter day stuff. I do think Page, or Jerry, or a few others could have possibly come in and done almost as well with JB and GB behind them.

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Poster: angular Date: Sep 10, 2010 8:26am
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To be quite honest with you and all your knowledge, I personally have never listened too much to Cream. If you have a link I would be more than happy to check them out.

I respect your love of Cream and would love to "get it". I think I am basing him on his top 40 airplay which is probably no indication of his true talents. Chalk it up to ignorance or curse of the radio.

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Poster: utopian Date: Sep 10, 2010 10:33am
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This is just post cream, and the jams are amazing.

http://panicstream.net/streams/eric_clapton/1970_08_23/

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 10, 2010 8:53am
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There are some commercial releases, two "live" CD ones, from way back, early 70s, that along with Wheels of Fire (live disk of the two) are really enough to give you the sense of it...you can find them in used CD stores cheap.

If you do "torrenting" or are in touch/trade with someone that does, the absolute necessities are 10-15-67, and 10-4-68, to get you started. Plus, SoyLove from various dates, but esp three labeled 3-18-68, in error at some level, but widely circulated as such...the 10-4-68 SoyLove has bass work by JB that will blow you away. But, it takes real concentration to come to grips with just how good it is...

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Poster: angular Date: Sep 10, 2010 9:07am
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Thank you, I will check it out!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 9, 2010 4:18pm
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Skip James, Robert Pete Williams, Django, Jerry Garcia, and Joseph Spence.